In that case, I would suspect the ISP itself would have incoming/outgoing feeds from other ISP's. If that single moral objector ISP refuses to allow carnivores, the other, not quite as moral ISP's might be persuaded to allow it, in which case the fedZ get what they want, just one traceroute hop further up the chain. Perhaps not all of them, but perhaps enough of them... Duh! That's the thing about the internet - your packets must travel through other ISP's (unless you're communicating with other nodes hosted by that single ISP which is unlikely). From the fedZ point of view, you need not tap each and every single ISP. You can tap upstream, and still get the data without tipping off the target, or his moral objector friends at her ISP. At some point every ISP goes through MCI, Sprint, and AT&T, and don't forget the local (phone company) loops. Assuming that such a moral objector ISP would exist, it would be foolish to assume that it would provide much of a measure of protection against tapping cleartext transmissions. Hence, encryption is important. Want privacy and security? It's up to you to provide it: encrypt. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :25Kliters anthrax, 38K liters botulinum toxin, 500 tons of /|\ \|/ :sarin, mustard and VX gas, mobile bio-weapons labs, nukular /\|/\ <--*-->:weapons.. Reasons for war on Iraq - GWB 2003-01-28 speech. \/|\/ /|\ :Found to date: 0. Cost of war: $800,000,000,000 USD. \|/ + v + : The look on Sadam's face - priceless! --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Sun, 31 Aug 2003, Steve Schear wrote:
Well maybe. What if a US ISP is incorporated with all foreign residents and no local employees (only trusted local contractors). No one to serve legal notice upon. ISP is housed in a standalone building which is owned outright (no landlord to serve). Site is monitored 24/7 via Internet and satellite links with remote controlled self-destruct devices (which to be effective must be capable of destroying the entire building).