irtheory-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list irtheory@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 15:37:20 +0100 Subject: RE: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Reply-To: irtheory@yahoogroups.com I'd like to hear how children who werent old enough to pronounce the colour were 'reds' who were rightly tortured (apparently) in your view, as well as the many women raped and tortured at the hands of SOA graduates. I'd also be keen to see evidence of this free-market success of which you talk, because it isn't in central america for the countless millions in poverty. Before, a person encourages free-markets elsewhere, how about encouraging them in the United States in order to really test the theory and give these nations a chance of economic development. The three most successful industries in the united states (steel, agriculture and techonology/military) are all state funded and protected in a exceedinly 'socialist' manner. There is no evidence in Europe of development occuring in industry any other way either. The defence of America and by proxy Reagan's crime in Central America is alarmingly close to Hitler's defence of his Genocide and also Stalin's killing of counter-revolutionarys (if we hadnt done it they wou;d have killed more, theyre the threat not us etc). Exactly at which point does a war (any war) stop being defensive because according to the history books the US has never fought an aggressive war. I'm not sure that it is defensive to defend a country against its own people, when europe did so it was called colonisation.
From: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com> Reply-To: irtheory@yahoogroups.com To: irtheory@yahoogroups.com, cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net Subject: [irtheory] War ain't beanbag. Irony is conserved. Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:52:21 -0400
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At 6:11 AM +0000 6/13/04, Carmi Turchick wrote:
Here is more about the connection between the death squads and the policy of genocide and our own American facility, the School of the Americas...
Yawn. War, to paraphrase a famous American income-redistributionist, ain't beanbag.
Yes. We taught soldiers, hell, thugs, even, to kill commies. It was a war. Remember?
The commies were killing people too, remember? More to the point, they wanted to kill lots more. Deliberately, or worse, through their own ignorant mismanagement of the lives they would eventually have total control of.
All those "innocent" people were either totalitarians or dupes. Lenin's "useful idiots". Even the nuns. Even the bishops. Even the nice Anglo church ladies from El Norte who thought that in a war between Ghandi and, say, Stalin, Ghandi would win. Bambi vs. Godzilla is more like it. Of course, like Lenin himself, ultimately, those "idiots" were like Ghandi joining the war on Stalin's side.
[Okay, so, in actuality, Ghandi *was* on Stalin's side, economically and ideologically, at least, the world's most beatified useful idiot in that regard. Certainly Nehru was on Stalin's team, explicitly so, creating the world's second largest command economy after China's, dooming tens of millions of his countrymen to famine, and most of the rest to destitution -- for *decades* -- in the process, because food prices were *calculated* by a committee somewhere instead of discovered in a market like they're supposed to be, and because cheaper, superior, foreign goods and services were legislated out of Indian markets entirely. Except for the elite, of course...]
"Liberation" theology, remember that? ["Liberation" being yet another communard verbal expropriation, like what they did to the word "liberal". War is peace. Or, in the case of "liberation", and "liberal", freedom is literally tyranny.]
Remember Aristide's little ditty in praise of the "necklace"?
Remember Ortega and the people whose property he expropriated, who he jailed, and those small-businessman "counter-revolutionaries" he eventually killed? He would have killed more if we'd let him. If Reagan had let him.
Don't think the "innocent" Allende would have been any different, he'd already started the process of expropriation and confiscation of people's livelihoods, and eventually, their lives, when, yes, Pinochet took him out. Life is hard. War sucks. People die.
And of course, there's the Sendero Luminoso, the "Shining" Path. Real humanitarians.
Oh. That's right. Butchers like the Sendero's Guzman, like Ortega, or, these days, Chavez and Castro, are *heroes* to people like you. "Freedom fighters," or some such emetic nonsense. I'm a functional atheist (okay, a Unitarian; there's some pyroclastic irony for you...), but one of the best things the Pope did -- after helping first Thatcher and then Reagan *free* three-quarters of Eurasia, if you now count India, and start what is an irreversible process in China -- was to kill "liberation" theology in its metaphoric crib, before it literally killed tens of millions of people, much more than centuries of ignorance and cryptofeudal tyranny hadn't done already in South America. (See, speaking of Guzman and Sendero, the works of Hernando de Soto for more on that...)
A nation-state, if you remember your first political "science" class, is about force and geographic monopolies thereof. Politics is about who controls and spends the economic rents that a force-monopoly violently expropriates from its citizenry, and about buying non-violent acquiescence in that expropriation through "social" programs and other forms of fraud, thus lowering the transaction cost of what would have been a more violent act of theft.
As Mancur Olsen said in "Power and Prosperity", a prince is a bandit who doesn't move.
Absent any *physical* brakes on his power -- be they economic or violent -- whoever is in charge of a nation state, and whatever elite he needs to keep himself in power, can do whatever they damn well please. It is only an armed (first) and educated (second), and thus *free* population that prevents them from turning into tyrants. Stalin, the subject of "Power and Prosperity" -- and ultimate model for erst-and-proto-tinpots from Santiago to Managua to Havana to Caracas, from New Delhi to Baghdad, from Phnom Penh to Pyongyang -- being the canonical example.
Your heroes, from the "liberation" theology Church Ladies to Castro, were about selling oppression to the masses.
My heroes, certainly the people who ran, and, yes, those who graduated from, the School of the Americas, thugs and all, were, ultimately, on the side of good and right. And ultimately, by the count of democracy versus tyranny in this half of the world -- more important, by the count of free versus confiscatory crypto-and-neo-feudal markets -- it looks like they won, so they were on the right side of history as well.
War ain't beanbag. Until we solve the problem of force-monopoly with free markets someday, war, and monopolistic violence, is, paradoxically, how we protect free markets, and, through them, freedom itself.
Irony, apparently, is abundant in the universe, and, like matter and energy, force and fraud, it is conserved as well.
Cheers, RAH
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