I sometimes think that Oregon is being used as a beta test for some of the more draconian laws due for the rest of the country. An example is the new law waiting to be signed by the Govenor. It would expand the reasons a cop can use to detain and search you. Currently they need to have probable cause that you committed a crime. The new law expands that to probible cause that you are about to commit a crime and a whole host of things they can detain and question you on. (The TV coverage has been less than good. The TV anchor they had covering it was pushing it as a good idea. Only until later did they bring up any reasons of protest.) Yet another tool to keep the masses down. alano@teleport.com | "Those who are without history are doomed to retype it."