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From owner-cypherpunks@toad.com Wed Feb 2 12:30:16 1994 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by zeus.ieee.org (4.1/Z-3.46-01.31.94) id AA12961; Wed, 2 Feb 94 12:30:16 EST Received: from toad.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwbnp25485; Wed, 2 Feb 94 12:25:12 -0500 Received: by toad.com id AA24880; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:11:06 PST Received: by toad.com id AA24877; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:11:05 PST Return-Path: <ravage@wixer.bga.com> Received: from ghostwheel.bga.com ([198.3.118.4]) by toad.com id AA24873; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:10:58 PST Received: from wixer.UUCP by ghostwheel.bga.com with UUCP id AA05678 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for cypherpunks@toad.com); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:09:24 -0600 Received: by wixer (5.65/1.35) id AA09079; Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:08:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9402021708.AA09079@wixer> Subject: Archiving on Inet To: cypherpunks@toad.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 11:08:26 CST From: Jim choate <ravage@wixer.bga.com> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11]
I would like to ask all subscribers who are not addressing the issues of this question to please move their responces to private mail. I have no interest in exploring your personalities or views of others personalities. If a global network is to survive there must be a commen understanding of what is public domain and what is private or commercial. At the present time this is completely new ground. The fact is that the copyright laws of the US are of little interest to a net user in Moscow, Russia or Pretoria, S. Africa. If as a cpunk you don't feel that a anonymous regulatory agency can protect your privacy why do you feel they can protect your intellectual property? The issue has direct bearing on both intellectual property and the wide spread use of cryptographic techniques. As a active cpunk it seems to me that your first motivation after producing the actual code is to creat a atmosphere where it can be used for the betterment of all. To create a useable global community (what I am striving for) it seems to me that entries on that network must be public domain by default. Otherwise every country who joins, and by reduction every potential user, will have to agree on how to recompense each and every user who desires to be paid for their submissions. This, to me, leads incontrovertibly to the conclusion of a beurocratic nightmare that will not significanly assist anyone other than the regulatory agencies. The only other answer that seems even close to working (and I consider this a stretch of the imagination) is one where everyone is given access for free and the governments regulate the traffic completely and pat for it with tax dollars. As to the issue as it applies to community bbs'es. I run such a system and am in the process of getting it on the net. As part of this project I have 2 other systems that I will be providing feeds for. These systems are all run by individuals who have these boxes sitting in their den. By insisting on a priori copyright of all material it is my opinion that you are creating a situation which will prevent the growth of such systems. Now if we don't have regulatory agencies and the sites are indipendant (and I assume self supporting) how can we expect some Joe or Jill to put up a system to help the people in their neighborhood if they have to keep looking over thier shoulders for the copyright police? The answer is they won't put up such systems and we all loose. By providing strong crypto tools for business and individuals to protect their intellectual and commercial property we are creating an open door atmosphere which motivates people to join the network for their own enjoyment and edification. This to me is more important than keeping the present view (as applied to non-networked environments) of copyright. It is time that we as uses of Internet set a precedence before the legislators set one for us that will in the long run only assist those already in power by strangthening the need for regulatory agencies. I strongly suggest that you all consider this idea from the global and long term view. I think you will find that the view "information wants to be free' is the way to go. To this end I propose that organizations such as EFF and cpunks take the position of a priori public domain status of network submissions. Also that all individuals who wish to retain intellectual or commercial rights either use strong crypto w/ e-mail distribution of keys or a change be implimented in message headers such that sites who don't wish to carry such material can filter it, along with this should be a requirement that any such non- crptographicly secure material must contain a fair use policy at the beginning of each and every document. It is time we quite letting big brother tell us what we can do with our ideas and how to distribute them.