From Bob Hettinga:
: Given the remarkable cypherpunk-like sound of Dr. Friedman, the real question : here is, who came first, Freidman-egg, or cypherpunk-chickens? The first : edition of "The Machinery of Freedom" came out in the early 1980's, (83?, : though somewhat-recently revised), yet Freidman leans heavily on post-mid-80's : Chaum in his talk to Cato, and uses heretofore cypherpunk : neology, like "anonymous remailers", "reputation capital", and the like. : Not to mention actual citation of the list itself in reference to Brin's : book about the hopelessness of all privacy. ................................................. Friedman came first, though there were others before him, in reference to the economic philosophical side of the anarchist-type ideas. But Friedman sometimes contributed to the Extropian list, as I remember when I was on it, and very likely lurked on cypherpunks, as I remember seeing a post or two from him - perhaps only because he was copied on a question. But he was 'exposed', so to speak, to the cpunkish themes from either, or both, lists, and no doubt had off-line conversations on these subjects. .. Blanc