Horse's mouth here, or mostly. First, the Weinsteins are right on the money in almost everything they say, so I won't repeat them. Second, I don't get to read this group much, so an apology for post-n-dash. Jeff and Tom W keep me informed, however, so here're some thoughts.
Well one 'ITAR gangsta' can alwas upload the linux version to a 'liberated ftp site'.
Great. Convince the government to withdraw our permission and never to give it again while the current laws stand. Please don't do this.
so why not do a 'whois netscape.com' and enter the Netscape Communications Corps. data ? Afterall whois to know ....
Anonymous wrote:
Tim you may use this as entry data:
There are ways to spoof this but without serious IP spoofing and SSL hacking you'll leave a trail which could be followed if someone wanted to. I have no idea what the probabilities of an investigation are, but looking at the data we log, every lie we've received would be trivially tracked down if a motivated government agency came along. There isn't much about your connections that we don't log. If you all hack us, one of three things will happen: (1) someone will make us stop doing this (2) someone will slow it down more by forcing me to check more -or- (3) they'll let us stay up so they can (try to) come get you I'd bet on the first. Why screw with this? We worked hard to make this possible and you want to ruin it. Sheesh. "I hate the government so I'll blow up a federal building and then the FBI will get more money and attention and power and, um, that'll show 'em, er, ah....." sameer wrote:
Have you considered selling this export verification system?
No. I don't have redistribution rights to all of it. If someone were really interested, I'd talk to them, but the government would probably need to be told before any tech transfer took place, I'd bet. Also, our govt permission is pretty specialized; I don't think anyone can just go use it unless they are willing to brave those untested waters I keep getting reminded about.
Have you heard any reports of anyone successfully downloading it period? Netscape always times out in the middle of a download. I think the server is so overloaded that it's actually impossible to download the software.
Yeah, we're getting clobbered. We're working on it. Lots of people are making it, though. The site management guys know about the problem and are scurrying, anyway.
I sure wish there were an ftp site overseas somewhere, then I could actually get the damned thing.
If you get NoCookie: please check your system clock. I'm hoping that's most people's problems (those who don't have cookies disabled or r/o). For those of you who think some of our info requests go too far: well, my position to the US was: I want to do a download. I'll do what it takes. Given all the ITAR vagueness and total lack of case law, I think both sides did very well. While I don't agree with the usefulness of the laws in place, I think the guys in ODTC had their public service hats on very firmly the day they said OK to us. It would have been quite easy for them to maintain the old line but they wanted, in their way, to do the public a service. This is something I would like more of in Washington. This is the wrong place to wage battle. Rather than attack some odd piece of enforcement, participate in the debate over the regulations themselves. Strides are being made. This is a good time for your voice to be heard. If you don't like this mechanism, don't use it. It's your choice. -- Tom Paquin Netscape Communications Corp about:paquin