Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 18:17:02 -0700 Can't answer all of your questions, but I'll answer the ones I can, which will save time for someone else to answer the rest of them. Apart from thwarting traffic analysis attacks, how does the security of a Mixmaster Type II remailer packet compare to that of a PGP-chained Type I message? Well, on the one hand, PGP uses IDEA, which is arguably better than triple-DES, but PGP also only uses the key length(s) of choice, which is to say that if you use the minimum length, you have very little security. Also, Mixmaster packets remain the same length from hop to hop, so they are harder to track. Not every PGP remailer reorders. For example, is each remailer in the path limited to knowing only the next remailer in the path? And the previous one. For PGP-chaining, that tells you a lot, because you can observe the message length getting smaller. Is there any way for a remailer (except for the first and last in the chain) to know how many hops have already occurred or how many remain? No. The hop list is a constant length, and the list is back-encrypted through the chain, so that all you can ever know is the next hop, which the previous remailer couldn't know because it couldn't decrypt it. And not even the first or last necessarily! Both the source and destination are running Mixmaster (by definition). There's no reason why mixmaster must remail -- eventually it delivers. And someone sourced the mail using Mixmaster. If the source or destination is not on an advertised remailer, or the destination was non-local to the destination remailerthen it's pretty obvious that someone on that host is an endpoint. But that's one of the beauties of Mixmaster -- there's a large security increase in setting it up as a remailer and advertising it. Would any security be lost if Type I and II technology were combined and a PGP-chained Type I packet were initially sent via Mixmaster? Security is increased. Is my math correct in surmising that chaining a message through five remailers, each with a reordering pool of five messages, could mean that the message eventually leaves the chain as one of 5^5 (3125) possible messages? You're ignoring the case where it is to/from a machine that runs a public remailer. -- -russ <nelson@crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | America neither a Christian, Potsdam, NY 13676 | Jewish, Islamic, nor atheist (etc&) nation. This is good.