CDR: Fwd: Re: Data havens...

--- Benjamin Reeve wrote:

Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:13:46 -0500 Reply-to: Law & Policy of Computer Communications From: Benjamin Reeve Subject: Re: Data havens... To: CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM

Yes. Absolutely. I would similarly argue that the better "data haven" is not a distinct "site" of any kind but a structure, indeed in the case of a network, a network distributed structure.

People appear not to create such things just because people minds think according to particular conventionalities, most of them phyiscalistic The same set of presuppositions that gives us an auction "site" (e-bay) when the nature of the thing sought be to accomplished is a market/network thing (everybody gets a buy/sell client just as everybody gets an e-mail client and a network marketplace develops), gets people to think that the way to make informational "havens" is mostly like the way physical safes and vaults (and closets and...) work.

Every informational thing must be embedded in a physical thing and to take out the physical entity is to compromise the information embedded in it, true enough. But that does not mean that informational things act, or are "protected," in the way physical things are.

The data havens of the moment appear organized to attract the physicalistic mindset, not the genuine dynamics of what might be informtional protection.

At 09:28 AM 10/31/00 -0500, you wrote:

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-----Original Message----- From: Bill Stewart [mailto:bill.stewart@POBOX.COM] Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:39 AM To: CYBERIA-L@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Subject: Re: Data havens...PH-B

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Havenco is playing different games - providing a location for servers running traffic analysis protection,

To help thwart traffic analysis, shouldn't havens also become loci for the origination of spam and for popular free sites (porn, sports, whatever) to generate lots of basically benign in- and out-flow, within which the "substantive" messages of folks who really need a haven can hide?

Chris S.

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