Okay. "Writing code" is the activism of choice here, as opposed to speaking out, spreading the word to Joe Sixpack, etc. No problem. First: There have been many non-code discussions over the last few months, many of them begun by respected list members (Tim May, Eric Hughes, etc). Second: If something is posted to the list that you find stupid, you all SAY that we should just ignore them. But of course, you post this itself to the list at large. Which prompts another round of go-between, attack and counter-attack. You say that the "clueless" need to get thicker skins? Pot calls kettle black, film at 11. You accuse the clueless of wasting time and bandwidth, and then perform the same thing (in a far superior fashion, of course, since your spelling and grammar skills show you to be a better person anyway). In a nutshell: If it's not related to the list, DON'T POST IT. Take the crap to e-mail. Frog Farmer, ignoring his own advice for the first (and hopefully last) time.