Here's an odd Ruby Ridge development, which just floated across Reuters. Idaho prosecutors have filed two sets of state charges against persons involved in the incident. Kevin Harris was charged with First Degree Murder for "killing Deputy U.S. Marshall William Degan willfully and with malice aforethought." FBI Sniper Lon Horiuchi was charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of Vicki Weaver. Shouldn't it be First Degree Murder for deliberately killing someones wife with a baby in her arms, and involuntary manslaughter for using possibly excessive force against an armed attacker? Seems a bit backwards to me. I suppose it has something to do with that "only following orders" thing. :) -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch@zipcon.com $ via Finger $ {Free Cypherpunk Political Prisoner Jim Bell}