Daniel Miskell wrote: | The | not allowing unsubscribed individuals to post is logical, for a time. But | that basically outlaws anon remailers that don't allow you to send to an | account, and a lot of them don't, from my limited understanding. Besides, if | we set up the list to ban people who are 'undesirable', instead of just using | our own killfiles to do the dirty work for the list, then what is to stop If non-subscribers, aka remailers are banned from cypherpunks, I'll personally subscribe every remailer to the list. Be a good exercise in writing filters for the remailers. Saying that you can't deal with immature people using remailers, and thus they should be banned from cypherpunks is ammo to our opponents, who will sieze the opportunity to say, 'See, even cypherpunks can't deal with anonymity.' The list has gone way downhill, but offers a forum unavailable elsewhere online. As Tim points out, you can contribute or leave. I'm trying to contribute. As a basic rule of thumb, if your posts are generating lots of flames, you're not contributing, you're arguing. (He says to generate flames.) Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume