Timothy C. May wrote: | >The cypherpunks have virtually no force at all. If the battle is | >moved to that arena, the cypherpunks (and everybody else) lose big | >time. If the cypherpunks manage to pull off some sort of "extreme | >step", those who aren't shot while resisting arrest will go to prison. | >Worst of all, most people will applaud the action. "Extreme steps" | >legitimize the radical proposals of the Clipper crowd. | | I gave up on trying to "appear reasonable" long ago. Take it or leave it. | | "Extreme step" doesn't mean doing anything that is traceable to a | particular person, and certainly doesn't mean doing militia-type things to | physical buildings or the criminals who work in them. | | Rather, pushing for things like violating the ITARs, which we do. (Bill | Frantz noted, tongue in cheek I think, that Cypherpunks do not adovacate | breaking such laws. Well, this is of course absurd. Our whole focus on | steganography, on remailers, on carrying CD-ROMs out of the country, etc., | is basically advocating various circumventions of USG laws.) | | Gilmore's SWAN (getting machine-to-machine links widely encrypted) is | another "extreme step." | | As to our "reasonableness," I make little effort to hide the fact that I | support strong cryptography because it means that the plague of democracy | and "mob rule" can be turned back...I view crypto anarchy as an elitist | development, one which the ubermensch will appreciate, but the masses will | recoil in horror from. | | Fuck the herd. Crypto anarchy is not an elitist development, nor is 'equalizing.' The privacy and tax avoidance features of crypto anarchy are already available to the very wealthy, as Unicorn can doubtless explain. They are not available to the moderately wealthy, nor are they easy to take advantage of. I'll declare victory the day McSwitzerland starts advertising for business in the pages of Newsweak. Cheap, easy, universal access to the techniques of tax avoidance, binding contracts with escrowed bonds in jurisdictions with unemasculated contract law mean that things available only to the very rich are available to anyone who chooses to use them. Tim sees this as eliteness, since those who gain will be self selected. I see it as a democritization of privacy, one the 'masses' will be glad to be involved with, if its presented properly. (See 'The Great Simoleon Caper' for more on proper presentation.) Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume