You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay. Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting intercourse with a little boy should be protected speech, do you? Jay Holovacs wrote:
You miss the point... I have never read their site, I do not intend to. That is immaterial.
I am addressing the other issue, that your crowd too is protected by free speech rights even though there are plenty who would like to hold you responsible for crime against gays and abortion providers.
jay
----- Original Message ----- From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm@attglobal.net> To: Jay Holovacs <holovacs@idt.net> Cc: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com>; Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>; <fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu>; <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
Jay Holovacs wrote:
You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT
the
same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they advocate violence to children)
Oh, please. Anal sex with an eight year old child is not violent?
Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their speech protects you and your allies from being prosecuted each time a gay is murdered or an abortion clinic bombed.
jay
----- Original Message ----- From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm@attglobal.net> To: Lizard <lizard@mrlizard.com> Cc: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>;
<fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu>;
<cypherpunks@cyberpass.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and murderers. Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First Amendment, Liz. I'm sure if it were your son, you would feel differently.
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-- "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy R.A.M.P.-Restore Americas Moral Pride Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306 TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280