Tim, you raise a good point about those who'll wreck for the fun of it, and more so in reaction to any perceived ethical mainstream position. Re crypto-anarchy, at heart I'm in favor; in practice I'm in favor; and I see no contradiction in promoting an internalised sense of ethics in these areas. The underlying deep problem is we live in a society which is addicted to the emotions that go along with violent acts. Ultimately that problem needs to be addressed, and it's beyond the scope of this group to do that, except as each of us can do things in other contexst of our civic lives. The difficulty of promoting an ethic of conscience is real; but so is the difficulty of arriving at a solution to a technical problem; and difficulty by itself does not stop anyone. It is erroneous to think that technical problems are easier to solve than social ones; any of us can name ten or more areas in which technical problems have proven incredibly complex. In most of these examples, the complex problems arise when dealing with networked systems or systems involving relationships among many elements which can vary in ways that can't be controlled. You can see a straightforward parallel to social problems here: the more variable elements, the more complexity of solution. But let's not let that stop us. -gg