If the Leahy bill is unacceptable, what legistlation is necessary? I can't see how the use of cryptography in the commission of a crime needs to be a separate offence, but I could see how it could be treated as a special circumstance - that doesn't really needed a new law though. I do feel that it should be possible for courts to sub poena crypto keys, but that doesn't really need new law either (4th and 5th ammendments become _really_ important though (hmmm- there advantages to writing down a constitution after all :) Simon --- They say in online country So which side are you on boys There is no middle way Which side are you on You'll either be a Usenet man Which side are you on boys Or a thug for the CDA Which side are you on? National Union of Computer Operatives; Hackers, local 37 APL-CPIO