John Gave gave an interesting pitch for Java at the CSSI Computer Security Day sessions in Cl;evelan yesterday (November 30). Among his comments were: Java is not secure - it is "safe" He (John Gage) regularly downloads binary executables from the Internet and runs them on his workstation at Sun - (connected to the internal Sun network). Sun has terrible physical security - unknown people roam the halls at night all by themselves. In 2 years, you will be able to buy a computer that does more than a Sparc now does, in a portable package the size of a cell phone, with more than 30 million bits per second of mobile bandwidth direct to the Internet, for less than $30. -> See: Info-Sec Heaven at URL http://all.net/ Management Analytics - 216-686-0090 - PO Box 1480, Hudson, OH 44236