There is also the potential to mod the BIOS in a hot environment. Shadow the BIOS to RAM, use a program on your hard-drive that mod's that image and does a soft-reboot so the BIOS image is unaffected (since we're mod'ing the BIOS image why do it half-assed) and suddenly your 'hidden' whatever is sitting there. You could do it while the system is online even if you're careful not to mod anything but the BIOS image. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage@ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------