Pat, A response to the quote below from your NIST Key Escrow web site: I got the full Discussion Paper #4 with all ten criteria from the main desk, along with others that seemed to be appearing as the day passed. (I'll fax a copies of any of the handouts to anyone wanting hardcopy. We scanned all handouts.) In breakout session B-2, we were also given only that part of Paper #4 that dealt with our session's criteria 3, 4 and 9. It was passed out at the end of the meeting after discussion had ceased. We did not get a chance to discuss the "example potential solutions." Strange procedure: it seemed as if NIST was sleight-of-handing prepared backup papers as if they anticipated resistance. Maybe there would have been more concessions or more rabbits pulled from the KE hat if there had been even louder "brrrrat-GAK." Never too late to ask for those other trapped bunnies. ---------- [Excerpt from Pat's web site]: * During the first breakout session, in the technical discussion of criteria # 5 and #6, an authorless (presumably government issued) "Example Potential Solutions" paper was distributed. It caused a lot of grumbling amongst the attendees, as they were supposed to discuss it, without any prior chance to read or react to it. Here are two versions of it, First, Anonymous Sample Solutions (HTML by PDF) and a simple ASCII version Sample Solutions (ASCII text by John Young) I have not seen an electronic version of the paper that I received. It contains the following paragraph: "Example Solutions to export criteria 5 and 6 are indentified below to help give a better feel for approaches that implementors may take to satisfy the criteria. The information in this paper is not intended to represent fail-sfe, cookie cutter solutions to the criteria, but only to generate more detailed discussions." It is also interesting to note that John Young has an electronic document with all of the sample solutions (a solution for each of the ten criteria. I never saw a paper document with all ten solutions. The one that was handed to me had only two criteria, #5 and #6. I talked to attendees of other breakouts, and they had received nothing.