From: alt@iquest.net (Al Thompson) If strong government resulted in liberty and freedom, then the most intrusive, all-encompassing governments would result in its citizens having the most liberty. Is this the case? I would look at the (former) Soviet Union, Iran, Cuba, East Germany, etc., for your answer. In all things, moderation. If I like salt on my steak, that does not mean the most salt is the best. Thinking in fundmentalist extremes severely limits your room for creative problem solving. You don't do that when you discuss cypers -- you don't take rigid sides of "subway" vs "mixmaster", and paint the other side as fools becauase their system would be silly if taken to its extremes. You learn from one another. Be as creative about political possibilities. -rkm _____________________ Richard K Moore > cyber scribe < citizenships: USA ; cyberspace homes: Ireland ; <rkmoore@iol.ie> _____________________