another hi to old cohorts. can echelon be exposed? can it be trounced? I'm looking for any old article by someone who lambastes the idea of a global data collection system as impossible, infeasible, etc. the more credible the author/outlet, the better. ideally a smug op-ed piece in some uptight mainstream newspaper etcetera. the idea is to get the most closeminded denunciation of the idea possible to show it in contrast with new information about echelon/carnivore/CIA datamining capabilities. useful propaganda. for your amusement. a fresh rant on the NSA, their role in blocking the RSA patent, and echelon.. and the idea of CIA/carnivore press info as diversionary tactics. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/message/3180 stop by theory-edge if you want to talk about hard-core algorithms or mathematics. its a pretty civil environment. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/ also.. you guys were all scratching your heads at the meeting when I brought up this subject many years ago..(haha yeah a little "spoofing") a little more on that.. "silent weapons for quiet wars".. what is the cypherpunk opinion on this one? would really like to get more supporting material on this. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theory-edge/message/3149 I am not on the list but will reply to emails. oh yeah, you guys may be vaguely curious as to what Ive been up to. here's a new htmlized group faq for theory-edge.. I suppose you can see why we may have had a few disagreements over philosophy.. also what I'm aiming for.. hope to add much more, barely just the beginning http://www.geocities.com/vznuri/faq.html * * * I noticed the cpunk archives go all the way back to 93 and further after an old post turned up in my google search. haha how delightful. hey TCM, old pal, you are still around here right? how about you join the cyberspace age.. just a little? how about a home page? and hey, you could start your own yahoo group too, easily. really, I wish you would do it. I'd probably watch it. consider the easy capability of throwing out anyone you think is a useless specimen. yahoo groups have a built in blocking mechanism. I've used it on two occasions already. the spam problem seems to be almost totally solved by just preventing nonsubscribers from posting. cyberspace has evolved a bit.. as you once said "let a thousand flowers bloom".. well they have =) http://groups.yahoo.com hey, I've also noticed something else re: tragedy of the commons problem. you can civilize people with the leverage of leading a mailing list and the blocking feature. the founder picks the atmosphere. if he's into stuff like "integrity" that others feel is impossible to impose, he can give it a shot in cultivating it... you can all decide to what degree Ive succeeded and whether the goals are worthwhile. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/