It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has (apparently) recently subscribed to the list. Seth is essentially an anti-cypherpunk, someone who violently disagrees with free-market points of view and has spent (a conservative estimate) hundreds of hours arguing against them. Seth's claim to fame is that he popularized the "Libertarianism Makes You Stupid" saying, popular among a small clutch of Net-leftists. An article he wrote: http://www.spectacle.org/897/finkel.html Obviously there are going to be some points of agreement. Seth is a liberal and a programmer who is going to like strong crypto, free speech (only the types the ACLU approves of, naturally), and so on. But on cases involving free trade, commercial speech, critiques of government regulation, Seth is an aggressive anti-cypherpunk and proud of it. (This is not to say that all cypherpunks are libertarians, of course. The DC cpunx are mostly Finkelsteinian leftists, as far as I can tell. But the problem is that modern leftism runs up against cypherpunkly thinking -- to the extent there is such a consensus -- pretty quickly.) -Declan