-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on or about 971002:2232 Phillip Hallam-Baker <hallam@ai.mit.edu> purported to expostulate: +On Thursday, October 02, 1997 11:54 AM, Attila T. Hun [SMTP:attila@hun.org] wrote: +> if Phill is secure, what difference does it make if you assault +> him? my guess is he is not secure, and probably has no clue how +> to get from there to secure. +Because when you ring the alarm bell on my system +it is answered by law enforcement and it costs about +$10,000 a time to deal with the issue. +Setting off fire alarms costs real money. my only comment is: "may you have many false alarms." waving the big stick of law enforcement as a warning is nothing more than a pre-potty trained bully with a bunch of goons to back him up as he stomps around his playpen. law enforcement did not deterred the hacks on the state department, the FBI, and even the CIA. I dont advocate the hacks, but it is amusing to watch the great watchdogs of security take a hit. with your spoiled brat rantings, you make your site as tempting as some of the other nose tweakers who need a serious attitude adjustment in other words, get off your fucking horse, it has a broken leg. dont forget to call home, your mums waiting. attila out +Incidentally the security line you are pushing is a crock. To get real +security I believe you have to have feedback +and monitoring. This is especially important in an institutional +setting where you may not have complete control of critical +infrastructure. For my application simply hoping the guys with the +white hats find security holes before those in the black ones do is +simply not enough. +In any case I'm not as complacent as Attila seems to think the security +model has been amply reviewed by the best +in the field. +Threatening to catch the malefactor and put him behind bars is a +valuable additional security tool. The more bad guys there are behind +bars the less time I have to spend worrying. + Phill -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBNDSmob04kQrCC2kFAQHc3AP/aHozQ2yGoAV29tBc3E7Jy4afe1qc6IJw o5jKmAAV5mXBS13Vvm8EBb+Z4znGlyFxrW8WB+Tx9TXwYSAENKvGt2fnMkv82yuK DJwUefSCtibVMZAolT3iwVsJpxe6s+rHfqVOrC987dTwK7kxTIitF4qrp9zhq9ML OQ5j/wh/rqc= =Ezsh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----