-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970623184633.28368H-100000@beast.brainlink.com>, on 06/23/97 at 06:51 PM, Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> said:
On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 tzeruch@ceddec.com wrote:
If the state issues me a permit, they probably have a right to the information pertaining to the permit, e.g. they do need the make, model, year, and similar information about the car to issue a title or registration. If they are issuing state ID, they need to know that I am me in order to issue it. They don't need to place my mother's maiden name into the record although I think it appears on my birth certificate, and would cause problems since this is used as an informal password. My driver's license is a permit to drive, not a permit to be me. You can make a case for the database containing my age, but date of birth? Much of what appears is not necessary for the purpose stated.
So are you making the case for having the state ask every detail about your life and being able to place it in the licensing database, or only answers to those questions relevant to issuing the license?
I'm making the case that information I share with (for example) the DMV should not be viewable by those OUTSIDE of the DMV and NYPD without my consent - i.e. if Joe Insurance Inc. wants to insure my car, they need my permission to have the DMV release the info; but some folks have taken this to other weird tangents, such as polarizing one's point of view into either libertarian or stasist. I hold neither. And I've given up on the cluelessness of the same folks, so the topic I've dropped. :)
Only one here being clueless is you Ray. The state is not allowed to engage in secret activities with select members of society. Whenever it issues a permit or a license to someone it is public knowledge. Whenever someone is arrested, whenever there is a trial both great and small the full details are public information. All actions of the state *must* be reviewable by the citizens. You can not have a free and open society without the people being able to check on what it's government is doing. This means that all of the following *must* be open to the public: DMV Records Criminal Records Voter Registrations Census Records Building Permits Profesional Licenses Court Transcripts Federal Records State Records County Records City Records ect, ect, ect. The problem here is *NOT* that this information is public. The problem is that the goverment has got it's fat little fingers into everything. The solution is *NOT* letting the state hide what it is doing with these so called privacy laws but to get the state out of where it has no business being in the first place!!! And this has nothing to do with GAK or any other 1984ish monitoring of citizens. The issue here is bringing the activities of the state into the light of day. The activities of the citizens that do not directly involve the state are not at issue here. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM689eY9Co1n+aLhhAQFAKQP/ZzTP16dZaSSH2NIS2jj6HyNxvu2xZjfH nxT70qouw2RXOjjupLCcsWA1E44uHNEhyh3GFv11eBb0AnE869h1YBwUAnUpk4yN r7Xr1y8NIWjckowQQ6Dnq4GlMVUSM9BTwUvBGaaE/TdM/LDZcJLXR9U/3G5h9gsF iAE9w+8FekQ= =k3eZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----