* (Cough) Bullshit (cough) * www.m-w.com - type in punk, you get this: Main Entry: 1punk Pronunciation: 'p&[ng]k Function: noun Etymology: origin unknown Date: 1596 1 archaic : PROSTITUTE 2 [probably partly from 3punk] : NONSENSE, FOOLISHNESS 3 a : a young inexperienced person : BEGINNER, NOVICE; especially : a young man b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian c : a youth used as a homosexual partner 4 a : PUNK ROCK b : a punk rock musician c : one who affects punk styles ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------ On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2001, mattd wrote:
have to choose soon between use of the words anarchy and punk and some
punk <> anarchy
'punk' actually means 'anti-establishment' and 'activist' in viewpoint. anti-establishment/activist <> anarchy either.
The black leather and anarchy crap didn't 'happen' on the punk scene until the late 70's and early 80's. In particular the club scene in England (those crazy Brits and their unemployment, crank & horse).
When punk really took off (it began in the 60's w/ folks like Iggy Pop and the Stooges) in the early 70's (New York Dolls, Germs, etc.) it was a direct result of the crappy music (if only every Grease soundtrack would self-implode...here's hoping). It was intended to be a return to the 'roots' of rock and roll and to attempt to escape from the large record companies and their contracts. It fathered the current 'indy' music scene.
It's also interesting that this is when the 'industrial' music genre began with bands like Throbbing Gristle (ie Genesis P. Orridge) and Einsturzende Neubauten (Go Blixa!!! - You can't build without destroying). At one point P. Orridge was looking to engineer/produce Suzie and the Banshee's first album, Billy Idol told here to stay away from those crazies...
Kids...
"Those who don't understand history are doomed to repeat it."
George Santyana
"The mouth is the wound of the alphabet. My screams turn back. To lick the wound..."
"Blutvergiftung" (Sung backwards) Einsterzende Neubauten
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