In light of the apparent widespread deployment of carnivore at many, if not most, US ISP's, without, I presume, any sort of warrants, does anyone know of any proposals for lawsuits against same by EFF, ACLU, or anyone else? This would certainly be an abrogation of civil rights for all of us whose email is being intercepted without even the remotest probable cause. I would think it ripe for a class action suit. I'm assuming that ameritech knuckled under, although I've not seen any announcements of it, but last night when trying to pop mail from their server, I was getting no connection for quite awhile, then suddenly I got a message saying the "account is locked by another session or for maintenance" -- something I've never, ever seen before, although ameritech certainly has had a lot of problems with it's mail servers. Then again this morning, for over an hour, the incoming stuff just stopped. We sent several test messages from various servers, none of them arrived until much, much later. Not that I'm paranoid, I seriously doubt they'd be monitoring my mail in particular, but I would also assume that any installation of something like carnivore would cause problems with the mail at an already rather fragile entity like ameritech. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 hseaver@cybershamanix.com Home 920-233-5820 hseaver@ameritech.net http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html