-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on or about 970207:1759 "Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com> said: +All messages with "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com" are +received from the flames list. The difference between the unedited and +moderated lists is that the moderated list changes the message ID, +appending toad.com, and deletes all received headers before +"majordom@localhost.*by toad.com". None of the messages are being +doubled; this is just the result of buggy software if you receive both the unedited and the censored plus flames, each message should be doubled --unedited sends all messages, but fails to always mark them in sender -basically, you need to key on the fact the Message-ID is NOT ....@toad.com for the unedited file no, I dont have a problem with that, it is just stupid on toad's part (John?) to not correctly identify the pass through messages with 'Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com' --a few are, but the vast majority are still shipped out as 'Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com' (and the 'Received' chain as I pointed out in my original post). to me that is piss poor list management. unfortunately, I can not use procmail at this point on my mail reader platform, but the internal filters are multilevel and do allow enough flexibility. I use procmail extensively on my host for autobots, spam filtering, objectional posters filtering, etc. I think you probably have an error in your procmail script as to sending 'unedited' to flames. the theory stated is: mainline (censored) + flames == unedited but I will not test it since I prefer to read/respond off line with MR/2 than Pine online. I will request Nick Knight for the construction of his folders (except he has no lock mechanism) and I might write a PPP POP3 mail recovery program, pass it through procmail which passes it to a function to write it to MR/2's folders. however you slice it, censorship on a freedom of speech list just does not make it and we make fools of ourselves if we think otherwise. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBMvxHR704kQrCC2kFAQFQyAP+LXpWz1bFoGAs2tu+stR4YD8OBbRPv8cO /vLuf/oB6auYCI3I4mx1raPEFmg0Ul7dKf7Z9hINukkLbjMQtK4exCSlXeDK7kyz 2N6IbUYviauCHr2CM5w/kZ6GBKiajCfa+QysoKLIfrHGr35WUrSY+as/5cJ4XtYQ c+yw9WLbIuk= =B67K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----