On Thursday, September 13, 2001, at 06:22 PM, chefren wrote: Cypherpunks, I am forwarding this complete with names of cc:s attached to show you some of the enemies out there. I've gotten several personal e-mails. I am asking Declan, my friend, NOT to forward my posts to his various lists., Too many statists who gibber as this fool "chefren" does. (I have no idea whether "chefron" and "Rob Carlson" are the same person or not...part of the chaos of having my stuff sent to other mailing lists. For now, I am assuming it is only this "chefron" creep who deserves to be blasted.)
On 13 Sep 01, at 19:20, Declan McCullagh forwarded and Rob Carlson wrote:
We have to urge our fellow citizens not to give up their basic civil rights, especially not the right to engage in private conversations over distance and share ideas in private that others (including those in power) might not agree with.
"Right to engage in private conversations over distance"?
Our =society= invented means to have conversations over distance, nobody is born with those capabilities. Those means combined with strong encryption have lot's of good uses but also bear a serious threat for our society.
As foreseen by experts quite some time our society heads for regulated encryption. Basically: Pick your trusted encryption provider and communicate with whoever you want in this world.
This is a disgraceful argument, which I have no particular interest in arguing with you on. Declan, apparently you have been forwarding my posts to you one or more of your lists. Please do not do so. I have no interest in receiving arguments from some of the untermenschen who choose to subscribe to some of your lists. To you untermenschen: don't send your socialist/statist arguments to me personally. If you want to argue, join the lists I am on. --Tim May