-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 23 July 2001 16:58, Jim Choate wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
Oh really? Try that experiment on your own car.
Actually I've seen windows break (and broken my fair share) on cars multiple times. Some from wrecks, some from gunshot (a .38 will bounce off a windshield for example) some from other things. I even once had a D based rocket fired directly into the windshield of a 68 Cougar, it was much larger and going a hell of a lot faster than a fire exstinguisher. It didn't go through the window. Didn't even break it.
A "D based rocket" is no great amount of force. If it was light enough to go as fast as you say, then it wouldn't go through plate glass, much less a windshield.
Side windows shatter into a thousand pieces at the touch of a center punch. A fire extinguisher is decidedly overkill for the job.
A center puch (which focuses the force into a small area) isn't a fire extstinguisher. And windows are DESIGNED to break into a thousand little pieces, it absorbs the force of the impact. That way you don't get the sorts of car accident results that were so common in the country up through the 60's when the safety(!!!!) glass was put in all cars (admittedly Genoa isn't in the US). Things like no heads, amputated arms, chopped off noses and ears, etc.
You should dig up some of the old safety crash films from that time and compare them to what happens today.
In any event, the test--at least in the US--for the use of deadly force includes the concepts of reasonable fear of death OR GREAT BODILY INJURY.
A fire extinguisher stuck in a window does none of the above.
On the contrary, someone throwing a fire extinguisher at me - window glass, safety glass, or barred gate - does create a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury. Not necessarily because the fire extinguisher will ever reach me, but because I have rather clear evidence that someone intends on causing that harm somehow or another. If they don't, then why are they throwing fire extinguishers?
Believe it or not, being blinded by a swarm of glass shards is considered great bodily injury.
I doubt seriously anyone would be blinded (and I'm blind in one eye from being struck with a 2x4 so I can speak from 1st person, yes it's great bodily injury. It's not justification for lethal force).
Your opinion. My opinion is that if anyone wants to hit me with a 2x4, fire extinguisher, baseball bat, whatever, then they'd better expect to be hit by anything I have handy, up to and including .45 chunks of lead travelling at 400 fps.
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