Mac, we've always been silly. Its part of our charm. Adam On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:53:49PM -0500, Mac Norton wrote: | Pot. Kettle. Chip. Shoulder. | You boys are getting a little silly. | MacN | | On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote: | | > On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 06:21 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote: | > | > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:17:02PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: | > >> At one point Seth was capable of sane arguments and discussions | > >> without insults. This was, of course, many years ago, and now he's | > >> just nutty and should not be taken particularly seriously. | > > | > > I'm sorry Declan, I just can't take the cypherpunks list | > > seriously anymore. After you testified for Federal government | > > prosecutors, helping to put members in jail - not once, but twice - | > > and anyone still respected you, I just lost all ability to regard that | > > zeitgeist as other than a joke. | > > | > | > From what I know of the situations, based on journalistic reports (from | > reports _other_ than from Declan), Declan took the obvious and legal | > steps to limit his testimony to statements of the form: | > | > "Yes, I am a reporter for "Wired News."" | > | > "Yes, I wrote the story you are referring to." | > | > He was subpoenaed to testify, he and/or his employer hired lawyers to | > deal with the subpoena and to seek ways to state only things like the | > above, and, so far as I have ever heard, he did not offer "helpful" | > suggestions or speculations. | > | > By contrast, Jim Choate was visited by the FBI for one of the show | > trials and offered speculations that I (Tim) am a dangerous person with | > lots of guns and money. The court records show these depositions from | > Choate. No such malicious help came from Declan, at least none in court | > records. | > | > Declan has been to my house several times. (Choate has never been to my | > house and will never be welcome.) | > | > If he writes a story about me, or you, or anyone, and the court demands | > for evidentiary reasons that he confirm or deny that he authored a | > particular chunk of text, he would presumably do so. However, if FBI | > agents on a fishing expedition ask him for incriminating speculations, I | > assume he would tell them to leave. | > | > As for you, you are not to be taken seriously by anyone, narcs or others. | > | > | > --Tim May -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume