Sunder wrote: -------------- What pisses me off is that these fuckers managed to hiijack four planes by using nothing but knives. How the fuck could a bunch of guys do that? Nobody fought back? Nobody charged at them? [...] If they had any sense, they'd have everyone on the plane carry guns. The second anyone tried anything, everyone would be able to stop them in seconds. -------------- Which of course represents the crux of the issue. The passengers aboard the aircraft, the workers in the towers, and the emergency personnel on the ground are dead for two reasons: the US unreasonably meddling in other People's affairs until they crack, and the extremist gun control measures in place in the US today, preventing law-abiding citizens from carrying the firearm of their choice aboard a commercial aircraft. Who could deny that a few citizens armed with their personal handguns could have stopped two or three of guys armed with mere box cutters? The nasty truth is that the tragic events of the day were to a large degree caused by the victim disarmament policies of Diane Feinstein, Sarah Brady, Chuck Schumer, and the many, many local, state, and federal proponents of gun control. I hope they are happy. Not that I have any doubt that they will be delighted, since today's tragedy will undoubtedly give them additional excuses to turn more of us into helpless victims, ready to fall prey to crazies with box cutters and politicians with a pathological desire to feel "needed". The public will applaud. ... Or will it this time? --Lucky