Well, I don't think he much cares what enyone thinks. If he did, he wouldn't be spewing childish obscene SPAM about Tim May non-stop. I've never seen someone engage in such a singlehanded & through devastation of their own credibility as Dimitri has to his own. To say the least the SPAM coming to the list from him is totaly innapropriate. Hell, the periodic junk-spam-mail I get to 'make money fast' is less obnoxious. In any case I wish he'd fall off a pier, he certainly isn't much of a cypherpunk in my rather liberal interpretation of what it takes. I applaude any efforts to get him to shut up, and/or go away. Hopefully something productive will happen, that would be a real win/win, like he get's hired by the FBI, get's off this list, and he causes counter-productivity there, as well as is gone from here. Tim