Rather then encrypting mailing list and stuff like that, the real solution for "sensitive info" is for EVERYBODY especially people who share a lot of sensitive info with each other, to get themselves PGP keys. Learn how to use PGP or some other form of encryption you will be better off for it, trust me, once this happens, then you can choose who YOU would like to send secure info to. So in other words, if I want to send the FMR instructions to Brian I can encrypt the info and send it. I actually wished he had a key while he was away because then I could send him a private message to any account, just in case he couldn't log into soda. PGP is abount sending secure information to friends and others, information that is private and that you don't want others to read. I would consider it rude to post an encrypted message to a public list unless it was an absolute emergency (i.e. the Thought Police are at my door, and they are going to take me away). The desimination of FMR info should be based on a personal system of trust, PGP is some software that helps you keep the integrity of the communications between TRUSTED members, it is NOT a substitute for that trust and if used as such, will quickly disapoint you, with potentially disasterous consequences for some people. (It's better to assume that "They" are listening and choose your words, then to believe that because you have encrypted your infomation it is safe for you to incriminate yourself and others.) With PGP, if the keys are not handled in a proper manner, it is no better than any normal private e-mail list. The only reason that I would advocate encryption of the FMR instructions is FOR PRACTICE i.e. (danger paranoid statements approaching :) in case the day comes when we will really need to send information that we don't want Them to know. The FMR info is not precious, we don't have much to loose except the party getting busted. But if we did encrypt the data and use that as a method of distribution to TRUSTED roots of the FMR phone tree (which could change from time to time, then If the FMRs are mysteriously busted it would mean one or more of the following: 1) One of the TRUSTED is an informant or cop. 2) One or more of the people on the phone tree (only people who meet visually) are informants or cops. 3) one of the above persons told the info to an informant or cop. 4) The cops "get lucky" 5) The promoters leak the info to someone who knows or who is an informant or cop. 6) The cops can "break" the PGP code (a SERIOUS problem for cypherpunks) It is my assumption that 1 -5 are the most likely, and of 1 - 5 3 - 5 are things that we have absolutely NO control over. So PGP will only help us to enforce 1 and 2, I don't know if all the trouble of going through the motions of PGP are worth it except for the FUN and mystique of it all, it might just draw more attention and make the authorities think that there is something more to it than it really is. I don't think this is a good idea. I think if individuals want to use PGP to send secure messages whether it is FMR info or resumes that should be between them. I think we should take this discussion offline (oh oh elitism strikes :) but everone knows what I mean by that, the people who have access to Future FMR info will I'm sure pledge to make sure that the info is distributed in a fair, secure and hopefully timely manner. Those of you who wish to find the Full Moon Rave, look to the skies, keep your ears peeled and make friends, it's not hard. - G ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NEXUS SYSTEMS/CYBERTRIBE-5 : Voice:(415)965-2384 Fax: (415)327-6416 Editor/Instigator/Catalyst : Geoff White <geoffw@nexsys.net> Production Crew : Universal Movement Trinity <umt@nexsys.net> "They might stop the party, but they can't stop the future" --PGP Public key available upon request-- Paranoia - Your state of mind when you finally realize what's really going on. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------