At 9:25 PM -0800 5/14/97, Kent Crispin wrote:
Lucky, since I am considered contemptible by several c'punks, I worry about them more than I would about foreign intelligence agents. I have actually considered sending some things through the remailers, but I don't trust them -- I don't find cypherpunks any less susceptible to ideology than foreign agents...
The main solution to such doubts about remailers and their logging or snooping tendencies is to use many remailers, encrypted all along the way, and with the remailers picked from diverse ideological points. (Other solutions are of course for remailers to move away from the "human in the loop" system of Unix box-based remailers toward a more fully-automated, black box approach. This was the basis of Chaum's 1981 system...the remailers implemented in 1992 were acknowledged by all to be pale shadows of these hardware-based mixes. There are still opportunities for snooping, if the hardware is either compromised or is not built according to published specs to reduce such snooping, and this is of course an issue to discuss. Certain approaches using DC-Nets make even this kind of collusion problematic.) Further, a clever little fix is to make one's own remailer site a link in the chain. All a snooping subset of remailers can do is trace the message back to your own remailers. Obviously, they can't know if the message was merely _remailed_ through your site, or _originated_ there. Thus, including oneself as a remailer also provides excellent plausible deniability.) But, finally, the most important point: Whether you, Kent, "trust" certain of us not to snoop or meddle is not the main point. It is not we who argue that remailers should be controlled, or limited, or regulated, or banned. It is the government side. So, we Cypherpunks would be happy to see remailers run by the Greens, the Maoists, the Panthers, the Weathermen, the Aryan Resistance, the Kulak Liberation Brigade, the Stonewall Queers, Dykes on Bykes, the Animal Liberation Front, the Phalangist Party, a hundred other fringe groups, and a few tens of thousands of individuals and small shops. Collusion between a carefully--or even randomly--selected chain of, say, 20 of these various and mutually-hostile groups would seem to be "unlikely." Kent, stop babbling and spend a few hours reading up on the basics of how remailers work, the issues of collusion, and the discussions we've had for several years on these issues. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."