hi, Quarterniting people with SARS is logical to the people who has no SARA and illogical by those who have SARS.Since most people don't suffer from sars,quarteniting the infected is justifiable to them.If theree fourth of congressmen in US smoked -smoking will be encouraged :-)Its the majority and their power that defines justification,they can always justify almost any thing. Regards Sarath. --- Harmon Seaver <hseaver@cybershamanix.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, April 29, 2003, Jim came up with
On Tue, Apr 29, 2003 at 09:17:37PM -0400, stuart wrote: this...
JC> On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, stuart wrote:
Smoking in public, that's an easy one to pick
holds no water, unfortunately. Find me RELIABLE, UNBIASED evidence that second-hand smoke is actually dangerous, and I'll agree to ban smoking.
JC> Bullshit line of reasoning (actually your whole line is pretty much tits JC> up but why waste precious time). It's not a matter of 'proof'. It -is- a JC> matter of interfering with others. Note they are not saying you can't JC> smoke, they -are- saying that you can't make
JC> There is this concept called 'consent'. You seem to be missing it.
JC> You can do what you want until it interferes with what another wants. If JC> they want to breath unpolluted air and drink clean water then there is JC> nothing that gives you the right to pollute either outside of -your- JC> immediate vicinity.
There is a line, that line is harm, not discomfort. My argument is that there are many things that cause discomfort,
If smoking actually caused harm to people near a smoker, I wouldn't protest any of these bans. But nobody has been able to prove it does. I know exactly what consent is. I don't consent to
on. But the argument them smoke along with you. that's life, tough shit. the kid next to me in
my OS class who doesn't know what deodorant is stinking the room up, but it doesn't cause me any harm so the law has no right to impose speed stick on him.
People aren't permitted to blast music in the middle of the night
Or in the middle of the day, for that matter. Anyone who's car stereo can be heard outside the car should be arrested. I like the way they do that in New Zealand, the fine is progressive, third offense they confiscate the car. They should do the same with houses.
because it prevents other people from sleeping, which causes harm. When smoking is banned in places, it removes the RIGHT of the owner of that place to permit or prohibit a legal activity within their domain. Without those laws the owner could permit smoking, and patrons could then CONSENT to go to that place, or go somewhere else, where the owner has prohibited smoking. So yeah, I know what consent is, do you know what private property is?
I wasn't talking at all about private property, I was talking about public space. If only giving discomfort is okay, how about if I dump a bucket of cold water on every smoker I meet on the street?
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