At 4:34 PM -0800 5/13/97, Jim Choate wrote:
* Is it possible for the interlinked lists to send out announcements of list problems to subscriber of all such lists? (Each list owner could do a periodic "who cypherpunks" of the other lists, then use this list to send a message if a problem comes up. More sophisticated cross-processing could eliminate duplicates, etc.)
Sounds like time to start another list subscribed to the existing nodes and offer such services to the subscribers at the operators whim.
I oppose any action which would force the list to become more 'cooperative' in the sense that each node operator would be forced (sorta anti-cpunks I believe) to comply with some set of scripts and such they didn't develop in
I wasn't advocating either: a) any "forcing" of anything b) any compliance with scripts, cooperation, etc. Instead, imagine this "service": - a distribution point (= list) which subscribes to all of the various lists (cyberpass, algebra, ssz, etc.) - it sends out to subscribers the first instance of any message it receives - duplicates (see discussion below) would not be sent - it would, ideally, be on a robust machine The "duplicates" issue has been discussed by others. Even if message IDs are not enough to find duplicates--someone reported that the same message from algebra and cyberpass have different IDs--I would think that using the sender, message title, and date of origin ought to be more than enough to spot duplicates. Thus, the message "Re: The Interlinked Cypherpunks Lists? (fwd), 4:34 PM -0800 5/13/97, Jim Choate" should be unique.
Now some of you are going to say that this is taking it to extremes. That what is being proposed is a good thing and not something that could be used to 'manipulate' the lists. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the guy driving the paving truck only wants to help you (as he paves your petunia's).
No, this is just another filtering service, one designed to collect messages from as many inputs as possible and send them out, without duplicates.
* Alternatively, if one of the sites goes down, such as "cypherpunks@cyberpass.net" seems to have done, could the other sites automagically pick up the task of distributing articles until the site comes back up?
This again is anti-cpunks, it forces a level of cooperation and information sharing that is in direct opposition to beliefs in anonymity and privacy. I don't want it known who is subscribed to lists through SSZ, in short: It isn't any of your damn business and quit asking.
No one has ever said you, or SSZ, or anyone, has to participate.
Solution? Get a life or start an archive site.
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