-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199705221337.OAA00948@server.test.net>, on 05/22/97 at 07:37 AM, Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> said:
John Deters <jad@dsddhc.com> writes:
No, spam DOES cost the victim. I'm not saying that the victim is the spam recipient. Think of the ISPs that are the victims of Spamford's CyberPromotions. Yes, victims. [...]
This situation is the exact situation that has entangled my ISP for the last couple of months.
Are you telling me that being subjected to a jack-boot investigation for running pyramid schemes *and* having your customers leave because they can't get mail services is a reasonable expense to bear because of Spamford's "right to free speech"? Spamford's speech (or that of his "customers") isn't even directed at the sendmail operator or his customers. The sendmail operator above is merely being used by Spamford as a megaphone to broadcast the message of spam to other people (who really don't want it, either, but that's beside the point.)
It's no longer the same as shouting down the marketing researcher.
[your unmetered rented mega phone analogy]
The problem is that you and most of the rest of the internet world are renting your mega phones/accounts out without charging for usage volume. You are also allowing completely free use of your account as a recipient, and completely free use of your sendmail as a mail hub service.
If this causes you grief, you need to start metering, and charging postage to receive mail, and metering mail hub usage.
Bullshit! No metering of accounts is required. All that needs to be done is blocking of all mail from Spamford's sites. He nor anyone else has a "right" to use my equipment. If Spamford uses my equipment without my permission he can be charged with criminal trespass. I am under no contract with Spamford and am under no obligation to provide him so much as 1 bit worth of bandwidth. I have no problem with Spamford's free speech rights. He can go out buy a bullhorn stand on a street corner and shout to his harts content. He does not have the right to kick in my door stand on my coffee table and say a word. Just because one has the right of free speech does not mean that we have to be forced to listen. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii@amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: To whom the gods destroy, they first teach Windows... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM4Rixo9Co1n+aLhhAQHpdQP+KO9at62EiWvECR6v42/mA6UjQ1GgfSk0 h+rpEDMa8wJTKENZ6wicEOjb/sccAhnlHXQC41bo7Ulv32JxaIxi02nLSZ5hjCcS mK1jEr7Kwy+SjzrzxOMjSu8+Ml40JwSU7PV2fg83Zqmt03b1cJDlbcWVWRTHxRdC L08UTX1jq4A= =swAx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----