At 3:43 PM -0700 11/13/97, Neva Remailer wrote:
Robert Hettinga wrote:
If Tim and others fail to exercise their right to say what they believe, then it is likely those rights will be suspended in due time.
Like I said before, it makes sense, but not because Foucault said it. Broken clocks, and all that. Besides, Monty, I hate appeals to authority almost as much as I hate ad honminae.
I just saw this, courtesy of Monty's reply. This is really rich. Hettinga hates "ad hominae." This from the guy who started this latest flame war with such choice phrases as: "Tim's Way Cool Latter-Day Farnham's-Freehold in the Santa Clara mountains.... a bunch of "freedom fighters" like the one you fancy yourself to be these days... instead of shoving your favorite Mac-10 up the nose of every statist treehugger you bump into out there in lotusland.... you won't have to clean the snot off the end of your gunbarrel so often..." Hettinga, heal thyself. A comment or two on the rest of what Monty is saying:
Are you asking me to use Foucault's line without giving him credit? That doesn't seem right to me.
Foucault's essay was insightful and significantly influenced my point of view. Not only does he deserve the credit, but mentioning his name may direct other interested readers toward his work.
BTW, how much of Foucault have you actually read? I am generally unfamiliar with his work, but I have a sinking feeling the same can be said for certain of his critics.
It is easy to give French intellectuals a cursory reading and conclude that there is nothing there. However, often there is quite a lot of something there, but it comes from people with a different intellectual tradition than our own so it is harder to understand. An apparently absurd sentence is often a reference to a body of work with which we are not familiar.
By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. (These same kind of folks use to automatically label anything Nietzsche said as tainted because of the Nazi's later affinity for some of his works, but the "rehabilitation" of Nietzsche has been largely successful, and N. is of course now a hero of the Left. Whatever. Nietzsche was of course neither a leftist nor a rightist...he was just who he was.) Hettinga has admitted basic ignorance of Foucault, just as he backpedalled furiously on the "Aurora" claims he made. (about Hettinga's repeated, and loud, claims in recent days that I have called for the death of a federal judge)
Tim has repeatedly made it clear to the world that this was not his meaning. What is your purpose in declaring otherwise?
Hettinga shows his true colors by repeating these lies over and over again. I would not be at all surprised if he has forwarded carefully excerpted fragments to his friendly FBI offices, hoping they'll make a move to investigate me.
In every other instance in which Tim has discussed capital punishment, it has been in the context of a trial.
If OJ had committed a brutal murder in a state without the death penalty, say Massachusetts, and Tim said "OJ is guilty of a capital crime", would you conclude that he was calling for his murder?
I have, over the years, expressed my constitutional opinion about many people whom I think have committed capital crimes. OJ, of course. And Lon Horiuchi, the shooter at Ruby Ridge. And, if you check the archives, Tim McVeigh. Fact is, many people have committed capital crimes. And I don't particularly feel like paying my share of the $50-100K a year to keep them well fed and housed at Club Fed, so I'd just as soon spend a quarter on a rifle round and be done with them. I don't have a clue who "Monty Cantsin" is, but his clear thinking makes it kind of a shame he will remain a nym forever, unless he declares himself. (No one, not even Vinge or Card, ever said nyms would carry the same reputation capital True Names do. Maybe someday. But not in the foreseeable future.)
Clearly that would not be reasonable. So why do you feel the meaning changes when "OJ" is substituted for "The judge"? Perhaps you harbor latent urges to murder our public officials and wish to draw attention from yourself by pointing the finger at Tim. You seem to be talking about it more than anybody else.
Indeed. Hettinga keeps quoting this "Tim plans to kill a federal judge" mantra so much that I'd better rename the thread to this just to keep Hettinga happy. There, it's done.
Incidentally, it is well documented that in the 1980s, the USG had detailed plans for mass arrests of dissident citizens. Ten army camps had been selected for this purpose. The plan was to be executed in the event the country invaded Nicaragua. The USG has incarcerated masses of U.S. citizens without trial at least twice during the 20th century.
Yep. And to show that I am not the jingoist Ito presumes I am, arresting and imprisoning those of Japanese descent without due process was, of course, a capital crime. Had I been a Japanese-American, deprived of my liberty for several years, with no evidence that I had committed a crime, and with my property forfeited to the government (often for failure to pay taxes--duh!!!!), I'd have advocated the death penalty for those who falsely imprisoned me and stole my land. But most Jap immigrants were wimps. ....
Perhaps it is your turn to crack open a book and find the reference. I would be quite interested (and surprised) if you can substantiate your claim.
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