Tim has become so proprietary about cypherpunks it's strange that he's never operated a node himself, or underwritten all of them in the generous spirit of John Gilmore. Maybe Tim has been underwriting them quietly and that accounts for his obnoxious bitching when the discourse doesn't go the way he wants it -- he being a believer in getting good head for his money, or else, plonk the hoes. Drug dealers work the same model, as do pimps, and bandits, and big-shit right-wing thugs CEOs, none of whom love the urchins who drain their pickles, generate their wealth, instead they yarp the Calvinist creed that economic success equates with superior human value, that if you're not wealthy you're not of much account, rather than admit the evidence that the opposite is most often true, that wealthy people are some of the dumbest people on earth, fountainheads of blather, and got to have obsequious minions -- usually (low) paid, but if not then brainwashed -- on hand at all times to listen to their cantankerous tommyrot fantasies ever-generated to avoid pondering the consequences of their brutish exploitation. Tim repeatedly abandons cyperpunks when one of his spews gets dissed. Goes elsewhere looking for admirers or newbies to pound, and if pounded back, comes back to cypherpunks to plead to ye old tyme succor, parading his past accomplishments to see who'll applaud. Same same same comes out of idlers worldwide, the wealthy ones the most so. But even welfare cheats talk Tim's talk, rather Tim whines like welfare cheats, both sharing contempt for people like themselves, but hoping by blaming others their own shiftlessness will be overlooked. There are wealthy people who don't suffer Tim's conceited warped negativizing narcissism. Some of them have supported cypherpunks with far more than derivative, endlessly recycled opinions and braggardy. True, these goodhearts are the exception among typically vile "successful" assholes, but they save the whole rotten barrel of the rich from getting what it deserves. That is why Tim fears Gilmore's courage, envy.