! At 3:19 AM 9/2/96, Mark M. wrote: ! ! >On Mon, 2 Sep 1996, James Seng wrote: ! ! >> ps: Sorry for the off-topic discussion. ! > ! >Cpunks is certainly not the best place to be discussing free speech. However, ! >the link between free speech and the spread of cryptographic technology is too ! >close to completely overlook. ! ! I think it is as good a place as any to discuss free speech. The issues ! surrounding Net censorship, Singapore, the CDA, Germany, the shutdown of ! Julf's server, etc., are central to our concerns. ! ! And, in fact, it is "cypherpunk technology" which will have a more lasting ! effect on these issues than mere talking about it in some "free speech ! discussion group" will have. ! ! More disturbing to me recently has been the steady increase in subscribers ! to this list who don't seem to value free speech very highly, who write of ! their own nation's censorship as valiant efforts to protect citizen-units ! from foreign devils, and, even more shockingly, from supposed defenders of ! electronic freedom who are now talking about the need for limits on ! anonymity. How about supporting the effort for comp.cypherpunks ? About the need for limits for anonymity, guess what brought that on? Crime? Yes! The crime of the media monopoly violating the anti-trust acts, because people are ignorant enough to trust the mass media for their news.