Sorry to post this to the list. I would normally only post it in private to the sender, but since the sender has decided to speak without listening I guess the only way to get the message back to them is by indirect communication. Will someone on the list please forward this reply to the original sender on my behalf? ...
Fred Cohen:
You have no respect for the freedom or opinions of others. You expect the net to operate under your terms and under your rules. You want people to be "responsible".
I know it's a lot to ask - being responsible - but I think it's the only way cypherpunks will survive in the coming environment.
From what I have read here that seems to mean "punishable".
With rights come responsibilities. If you want the right of free speech, you have to use it responsibly - otherwise, you will lose the right - and quite possible lose it for me as well.
I do not like some of flames I have seen, but I do not threated legal action against them. You have. I have meet the keeper of the list. He is a very nice guy and i would not want to see him go through hardship because of some whacko with a faschist control complex.
Since you don't know me, you have no idea of whether these statements are true. Put yourself in my place. I posted no messages to the net and yet I was publicly accused without any cause of doing things I did not do by someone who knew that I didn't do them. When I complained to that person *in private* he published my personal mail to the list. As a result, you and others on the list are publicly calling me names like a whacko with a faschist control complex. It's not a matter of flames - it's a matter of intentionally and maliciously perpetrating a falsehood about me in a manner and fashion designed to damage my reputation. That's different than voicing your honest opinion and different than frivolous speech. It's within your freedom of speech to say a lot of senseless things - but it's not within your freedom of speech to intentionally perpetrate damaging falsehoods about other people. Your name calling is so outrageous that nobody is likely to take you seriously, and for that reason probably is not libelous - at least not at the level you do it today, but what Perry did was something quite different. His statement could well be taken seriously - he has not denied knowing that it was a falsehood - and it was clearly intended to damage my reputation.
Fred -- Go somewhere else. I suggest you get together with Dan Gannon and his ilk. I think you will find him more to your liking. (Or maybe the $cientologists. They are into sueing anyone who disagrees with them. I am sure they will help you start a list with your control fetishes in mind. Maybe you can borrow a few of their lawyers.)
I have a better idea. I have as much right to be here or anywhere else as anyone in the world. Anyone who says I don't could easily be accused of being a "whacko with a faschist control complex", but I won't make such accusations in public against you. It is you who can't stand the heat of openly discussing one of the central issues of cypherpunks - responsibility and freedom relating to speech. The reason you can't stand serious conversation is because your position is unsupportable.
BTW, Fred has been killfiled on my mailreader. I am sick of listening to the twit. To understand what an honor this is... He is the only person I have killfiled on this or any mailinglist.
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