On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Jim Choate wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2001, Sampo Syreeni wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. I'm the first to agree that porn *should* be treated as equal to other speech,
But 'porn' is no more speech than 'murder' is. What makes porn so offensive isn't the pictures, but the ACTS that had to be commited to create the speech. No where in the 1st does it say that you can say and do anything you want as long as it contains 'speech'. While the 'speech' part is really irrelevant (and a wrong-headed way to resolve the issues relating to the acts) there is still the component of the acts against minors that needs to be dealt with. Those acts are in no way 'speech'.
So in Choate Prime, in order that one make a movie of a person getting shot in the head, one would have to commit murder? So in Choate Prime, in order that one make a Godzilla stomps on Tokyo movie, one must first see the destruction of the city of Tokyo? So in Choate Prime, in order that one make a movie of an exploding nuclear bomb, decimating Hiroshima, one must build such a weapon and drop it on city? So in Choate Prime, are there no cartoons because it would be impossible to create them in real life? Porn is speech, the same as any other type of magazine, movie, sound, etc. The acts can and have been faked, as are the sound effects. The speech part isn't irrelevant, it's the whole, and only point of this disucssion. Yes, I know you'd bring up kiddy porn, but recall that not only movies of such acts are banned, but so are cartoons, comic books, etc. depicting such acts. In other words, here in the real world (i.e. not in Choate Prime), kiddy porn is thought crime, and thus it is restricted speech. So is going on Yahoo stock message boards and getting people to buy stocks so as to raise their price. So are sexual offers/requests in the office. I'm sure in your next elequent reply you will continue to tell us about your lovely world in its parallel dimension, which has no relation to ours, and we'll read it with fascination. ----------------------Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos--------------------------- + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\ \|/ :aren't security. A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\ <--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you \/|\/ /|\ :masked killer, but |don't email them, or put them on a web \|/ + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often. --------_sunder_@_sunder_._net_------- http://www.sunder.net ------------