On Wed, Aug 06, 1997 at 04:44:08PM -0600, Jim Burnes wrote: [...]
Actually I have nothing against categorization. Sci Fi, Dick and Jane, Romance Mystery, Horror, Erotica. Those are categories. The difference in Meatspace is that Mommie and Daddy usually don't let little Susie go to the bookstore alone.
I think you missed my point about spatial segregation. It's not that I don't let little Susie go to the bookstore alone -- I live 10 miles from the bookstore, and she *can't* go to the bookstore alone. In other words, I don't have to watch her all the time in meatspace, because there are *safe areas* where I can let her play without supervision. You get this kind of "categorization" of space for free in meatspace -- it's a fundamental topological property that cyberspace doesn't have. And in fact, no parent I know watches their children all the time -- it is simply not possible for most people. Every parent I know builds or finds "safe areas" where children can play unsupervised. [...]
As far as I'm concerned parents have a moral duty to filter what their little ones read, I just don't want the Feds or Microsoft deciding what the categories are.
Neither do I. [...]
On the other hand I don't want a "surgeon general's warning" on Lady Chatterly. I know you think this is voluntary,
No, clearly you don't know what I think. Please do me the courtesy of disabusing your mind of that thought. When I said "voluntary" I meant voluntary, not some Orwellian variant of the word, OK? Voluntary. Not "mandatory voluntary", not "surgeon general's warning", not "government approved", not "war is peace". Voluntary. So, keeping your mind firmly wrapped around that, remember that I said I saw value to voluntary labels. I did not say I favored government mandated labels, or Microsoft mandated labels. Voluntary labels, like the big adult sites already use. Voluntary labels, like the "k12" usenet hierarchy. [...]
In fact I really like the idea of having churches sell their own filtering software. What better way to check your values.
Filtering and labels are orthogonal (you can filter on things other than labels), and, of the two, I prefer filtering. Filtering creates virtual neighborhoods, and gives a more complex topology to cyberspace. -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent@songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html