-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [I've done my best to make this somewhat relevant, and to ignore most of the obvious trolls.] On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 JonWienke@aol.com responded to an anonymous troll:
At the same time, however, as Federal agencies proceed with traditional means of intelligence gathering (as in the Unabomber case), and Congress ponders a new anti-terrorism bill (stalled by the gun lobby and civil libertarians), efforts to fight domestic terrorism are being supplemented more than ever by private human rights organizations that track the fringe right with their own networks. They willingly share information with law enforcement agencies, branches of the military and reporters.
If Federal LEO's are getting so much help from volunteer snitches, why do we need the anti-terrorism bull? :)
We don't. Not that the "volunteer snitches" are anywhere near as important ans they think they are. Most LEO types will just blow them off, because there isn't probable cause. Where the private orgs come into play is *after* some wacko goes postal, and the government wants expert witnesses. This raises some interesting questions about the power of private data collection and data havens, though. There is something to be said for the rule of law. At least the government is somewhat accountable, and will always be "infiltrated" by professional bureaucrats who care about human rights. Private organizations are more ideologically coherent and less likely to open their affairs to public scrutiny.
Most of the human rights organizations were actively campaigning against racism and anti-Semitism long before the Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995 and the arrest of two suspects with links to militia groups. And with many of the right-wing groups now hiding racist views beyond a more acceptable veneer of anti-government oratory, the human rights
The more I get into this, the more backwards this sounds. As a FUCKING STATIST, I'm a lot more comfortable with certain racists than with anti-government zealots of any political persuasion. This assumes, of course, that the racists lack sufficient power to put their genocidal ideas into practice.
At least two of them -- the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Ala., and the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles -- use undercover operatives. Both organizations had spies attend a convention last weekend in Lake Tahoe that attracted hundreds of Christian Identity followers to hear a speech by Randy Weaver, the white separatist whose wife and son were killed three years ago in a siege by Federal agents in Ruby Ridge.
"Undercover operatives" is much too maudlin. I went under my own name, said hello to a few folks. Weaver is a fucking lunatic, but the skiing was good.
Since the Oklahoma City tragedy, numerous "Patriot" terrorist plots have been discovered, including plans to poison federal employees in Minnesota and conspiracies to blow up a federal courthouse in Spokane and an IRS building in Reno. An AmTrak train was derailed by a group calling itself "Sons of the Gestapo."
Which turned out to have been done by a disgruntled former railroad employee who left the "sons of gestapo" note as a red herring. Could you at least stick to propaganda that has at least some basis in fact?
This is news to me. What's your source for this?
Explosives thefts are nothing new. Regulation of explosive materials is. Explosives and poisons can be made out of commonly available materials. If this is such a problem, how come this country wasn't bombed and poisoned into oblivion 50 years ago?
50 years ago, American citizens of Japanese descent were just being let out of "internment camps," and the State of Mississippi was keeping files on 87,000 "political subversives" -- never mind the FBI. I'm not a big fan of the bad, old days. 30 and 76 years ago, many parts were bombed. Berkeley. Ronald Reagan. Sacco & Vanzetti. Eugene Debs. Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer. Forget everything you've ever been told about "right" and "left"; it's the same people, really, fighting for the same things, mostly.
+ Learn about the "Patriot" movement and share your knowledge with others
Absolutely, yes, hallelujah, preach it brother! You might want to chesk out other sources than the SPLC, however. The best way to find out what views an organization holds is to directly contact the organization, rather than a member of the opposition with an axe to grind.
You're joking, right? To learn what the Church of Scientology is really about, see http://www.theta.com/ To learn what Watergate was really about, visit the Nixon Presidential Library. To learn what the IRA is really about, talk to Gerry Adams. To learn what the Cuban Revolution is really about, talk to Castro or your local "Pastors for Peace" propagandist. No, the only way to learn about an organization is to JOIN IT. You should see the mail I'm getting now.
I find it disgusting that a radical left-wing propaganda outlet like the SPLC can legally call itself a "charity."
Don't worry, Newt is working on it. - -rich http://www.c2.org/~rich/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMXHqX43DXUbM57SdAQEJ9QP/e1BASvp//RnwJieTnkQYuS+x6SUZ0S7m Vbny4r0Eu7HYUWIyAsMHrme19P/AUVbbxc0O0Ar+uRILfiFkTjM9xIVe6SOTIelX y3CX96icMObnj5UP5NGcYXJAg11/bAdDlEHWFezXg/qgGdkpzH2iUOhV33gmVwiJ vLd7DhHORcg= =XEvm -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----