First of all, turn off your stinking HTML. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I can fire 9 shots in about 4 seconds and stay in the 9 ring of a B-27 silhouette at 10 yards, and slow fire I can neatly remove the X-ring at the same distance...I don't think it would be a bad option against an armored opponent--2 in the body to knock them on their behind, then one more between the eyes to finish things. The only Secondly, if you think *ANY* firearm you can fire standing up will "Knock them on their behind", take a high school physics class. Short version: For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Shorter version: Not going to happen with a cartridge pistol. Try doing it in the dark, engaging multiple opponents and holding a flashlight. The only good use for a pistol is to fight your way to a rifle. -- -- http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense.