15 Nov 97 at 0:45, Anonymous wrote:
Tim May writes:
At 10:55 AM -0700 11/14/97, Anonymous wrote:
If you don't speak up when someone says something objectionable, you are implicitly condoning it. Silence gives consent.
No it does not. Silence may mean you are to appalled to even post!
How many people have objected to Tim May's racist comments? Only one or two. How many objected when William Geiger suggested that more nuclear bombs should have been dropped on Japan?
Maybe the little marine was right about that.
through my archived mail), along the lines of: "I fully expect to wake up some morning and hear that some terrorist nuke has destroyed Washington, D.C. I can't say I'll be crying."
Try this:
: To: cypherpunks@algebra.com : From: Tim May <tcmay@got.net> : Subject: Snickering at the Compromisers : Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 16:03:37 -0800 : : For the 3rd or 4th time, I have never advocated terrorism, at least not of : a physical sort. I have said I hope to see D.C. nuked, which is hardly the : same as "advocating" terrorism in any meaningful sense
You admit here that you've said you hope to see D.C. nuked.
Do you really hope that D.C. gets nuked? Do other list readers agree?
No way. But I feel, at times, it's bad enough to be *reading* that stuff let alone posting about it!
How many people would this kill? Over half a million live in the city proper, with millions more in the surrounding areas. You have now said that you would hope to see many of these millions of people killed.
I think "nuke DC" has become almost a turn of the phrase, these days.
It is this kind of support for depraved violence which has poisoned discourse on this mailing list. It is unconscionable to support such an act of cold-blooded terrorism.
You're not even the worst. Other posters have supported this kind of sickening violence even more openly. No one complains.
OK. Here I go. I come down on the complaining side.
Apparently everyone with an ounce of moral sense has left the list long ago.
Nope. Just lurking.
At one time the cypherpunks stood for freedom of speech and protection of privacy. Today they stand for guns, violence, threats of terrorism and murder, racism, homophobia, jingoism.
Those things all go hand in hand.
I've been here since the beginning...since before the beginning, actually. And I can tell you that the "political incorrectness" was the same in 1992-4 as now. Perhaps you recall a little thing called Waco that happened around that time? Go back and read the traffic.
I first signed on in 1994.
You seem to think that the only problem with Waco is that the wrong innocents were killed. You have no problem taking out innocents in Washington D.C. if it lets you get at your enemies. You are no different from the agents who killed the men, women and children in Waco. You have no right to set yourself apart from them. You are as ruthless and violent as the worst of them.
This list reeks of death and violence. Apparently there is no problem which can't be solved by killing. Kill the innocents of D.C. Kill the children in the day care center in Oklahoma City. Drop more bombs on Japan. Cheer the cold-blooded murder of a government agent. Kill the children who scrawl graffiti on your mailbox.
Well, I used to say Kill Them All And Let God Sort Them Out back when I was in the military. NoMongerHere