On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Jared Mauch wrote:
No, I'm not talking about the spammers who were caught in maps, I'm referring to the INNOCENTS who were caught in MAPS. If the LEO community acted like MAPS does, there would have been armed revolution in the streets *years ago*.
MAPS never gave a shit about facts, they cared only about their agenda - no matter who got hurt in the way.
Fuckem. Vixie is a netnazi who would do us all a favor if he just blew what little brains he has left out of his left ear.
I think you are confused and talking about ORBS. the MAPS people have not acted with any agenda that I've ever seen.
I assure you I am not confused. ORBS was intolerably worse, but MAPS is still not something I am looking forward to seeing survive.
I'm not saying that I agree with all the things that MAPS or Vixie has done during their lifetimes but I think they provide a valuable service.
Then of course, you are free to subscribe.
With the orbs, maps changes recently i've seen the volume of spam increase by several orders of magnitude.
Agreed.
I wish there was a clean way to filter it out.
There are plenty, but most of us are too goddamn lazy to do it ourselves, and ask for an ORBS or MAPS like service to do it for us. We have NEVER had a spam problem (we've been here since 1994) going out - not a single incident (not that we probably won't haqve one *someday*, but still, it's a hell of a good track record). The SPAM problem goes up and down to be sure, but you know what? PROCMAIL is your friend. All you need to look for are the basics (ADV, Make Money, etc) and you can instatly filter 90 percent of this trash into the bitbucket. At work (not mfn.org), I get several orders of magnitude more mail (usually obnoxious at that) from the "gentle anti-spammers" than the poor "victims" get themselves! Lets get my position straight: I think spam is annoying as heel, and should not be done. I don't think that SPAM is going to cause any major social upheavals. I also disagree that all people want to be spared from SPAM, and with thaqt in mind, I believe everyone should defend themselves to the best of their interest, and leave the next guy alone: he or she probably has *way* more important things to worry about.
- Jared -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin@mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------