On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Chris Rapier wrote:
In light of this post I have decided to make the spam-list moderated.
Trying to cover up the truth again Chris, huh?
I will not tolerate this sort of behaviour in a private forum.
Hey, it was J.D. Falk that started the whole thing with a loaded defame.bot. All I did was respond to a Freedom-Knights mailing list article which happened to have your list in it.
This is not a free for all newsgroup nor is it a soapbox for you to spout deragatory views and opinions. It is a technical forum which will be working under the ageis of the IETF.
As I said, J.D. Falk started the whole thing with his defamatory prose about "Continued harassment by Grubor." It was his fault, and nobody's at this end.
If you have something productive to contribute I encourage your offical subscription to the mailing list. Please limit your comments to those of a technical nature dealing with the matter at hand.
The recognition that most every problem person is of a homosexual nature is definitely a usenet body-politic phenomenon, which will be documented and verified with whatever means that become necessary. J.D. Falk Started the whole thing, and there is no way you can get around that. Go deal with the cypherpunks. I have already talked to Falk's boss and Lawyer about him, and I plan on seeing him in Court. That shit that he publishes is not going to last very much longer. Over half of the problem people on usenet are Faggots, and that fact is going to be made well known. I want the faggot cocksucker on the witness stand, and nothing less. cheers,
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, aga wrote:
On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, J.D. Falk's Autoresponder wrote:
"Continued Harassment by John Grubor" and this admitted asshole Faggot has had this same Autoresponder set up for Months at this CAIS Location. This is called a "defame-bomb" -- another asshole BOFH tradition. I had forgotten about this problem J.D. Falk faggot until now, but he has this dafame-bomb set up in his procmail, it looks like.
Now this is a further example of just how much these homosexuals have ruined UseNet in the past.
Don't worry J.D., I misplaced the file on you and that is the reason why we have not filed the Lawsuit against you and CAIS yet, but believe you me, we WILL be down to the D.C. area and file that Lawsuit against you. I have already spoken to your Lawyer, and this shit is the last straw.
A further example of how the PROBLEM people on UseNet administration always turn out to be the GAY crowd. This recently discovered phenomenon must not go unreported.
On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
From owner-spam-list@psc.edu Thu Jan 2 23:26:42 1997 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 02 Jan 97 23:27:15 EST for dlv Received: from mailer.psc.edu by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; id AA17247 for dlv@bwalk.dm.com; Thu, 2 Jan 97 23:26:42 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailer.psc.edu (8.8.3/8.8.2/mailer) id XAA30494 for spam-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 23:06:35 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: mailer.psc.edu: majordom set sender to owner-spam-list using -f From: peter@taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
Another BOFH asshole who has been a major usenet problem for over 10 years.
Message-Id: <199701030359.VAA28649@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: Re: regarding the minutes for the filtering meeting... (fwd) To: spam-list@psc.edu Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:59:16 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970102222523.23890E-100000@triste.psc.edu> from "Chris Rapier" at Jan 2, 97 10:41:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-spam-list@psc.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: spam-list@psc.edu
Well, the way i have been looking at things is that its going to be impossible to eliminate all spam. Boycotts can be routed around,
And the secondary routes get blocked, and get injunctions against the spammers, and so on.
payment systems for mail seems to be unweildy at the present time
On the contrary, having advertisers paying for email is already working with juno and hotmail and usa.net.
You know, this is what I have been saying for years. Spammers will also PAY to spam UseNet, and we could finance the whole InterNet(tm) for FREE if we could just get rid of people like Chris Lewis and Chris Rapier.
We WANT MORE SPAMmers on the UseNet, because we can start charging them MONEY as their ISPs.
Filtration isn't perfect. Before a spammer can be blocked they have to spam... Modifying the headers will circumvent filters as well and well... you all know the shortcomings.
The big problem with filters is that it adds support to spammer's arguments that they're not the problem, that people who really don't want spam can avoid it (even as they're working to make that harder).
I dislike filters because they carry the distinct possibility of making things worse, of establishing a basis for spam. And filters don't hurt the spammers because they don't *care*. They'll just send more spam to the folks who aren't filtering. It doesn't cost any more, and if they charge for 0.1% response from a hundred thousand users they'll just charge for 0.01% from a million...
Spammers PAY money to SPAM, and every good ISP should charge the SPAMmers at their end. Then the whole Internet could be FREE for most all users.
These guys like Chris Lewis who cancel SPAM and Chris Rapier who tries to create "lists" of people, are both seriously harming the proper economic development of the InterNet.
The e-mail program that does not also contain newsgroups in the header is a NO NO. ALL traffic must be routed out of e-mail and into UseNet, but NOT vice-versa.
Chris Rapier Systems Programmer/Cabin Boy 2nd Class Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center 11EE