Oh pointy one, I suppose you feel the same way about discussions of law as I feel about discussions of physics. I think if we studied the archives we'd find that my physics is pretty well on target. I try to stay out of it but sometimes I just can't help myself. It's not necessarily a bad thing. When I said IANAL I did not offer legal advice - I only offered what I think is right. Maybe that's what IANAL means. Shake loose a little of your own earfudge and try reading it that way. Right and wrong are not strictly the same as what is legal and what is not. That imperfect alignment is the topic of many of the discussions on this list. It may be idealistic and out of line with reality but no more so than is the idea that the law defines right and wrong, is absolute and in control. Besides, without a little idealism we'd all be eating the King's shit three times a day and telling ourselves it's delicious. SO, thanks bunches for your time. When I need legal advice I'll certainly hire a lawyer and not someone who prefaces his statements with IANAL. When I want to discuss opinions of what is right and what is wrong I already know enough to take what a lawyer says cum grano salis. Mike