"Perry E. Metzger" writes: : "Peter D. Junger" writes: : : > If a Frenchman on vacation in the Riviera shows a copy of PGP sourcecode : > to a German businessman there, that is literally a violation of the : > ITAR. : : Where the hell did you get that idea?
From Section 120.17 of the ITAR which provides:
_Export_ means: . . . . (4) Disclosing (including oral or visual disclosure) or transfering technical data to a foreign person, whether in the United States or abroad . . . . (And technical data is (baroquely) defined in Section 120.10 as including certain software, including crytographic software.) : The ITAR clearly does not apply : to foreigners disclosing things to each other outside the United : States. Where the hell did you get that idea? : I've read it and I can't see how it could possibly be so : interpreted. I'm not a lawyer, but this interpretation is so bizarre : as to be almost untenable. I can clearly see that a U.S. person : talking about DES to a foreign person can be a violation under the : language in the regulations, but there is no way on earth to interpret : the regulations as applying to foreigners abroad talking to other : foreigners outside the U.S. Go read the section that I quoted again. Where is there an exception for foreign persons who happen to be abroad? : > Don't expect the ITAR to make any sense. And don't think that you can : > apply logic to the ITAR and get logical results. It doesn't work that : > way. : I was under the impression, though, that the words meant what they : said. When did you change your mind? -- Peter D. Junger--Case Western Reserve University Law School--Cleveland, OH Internet: junger@pdj2-ra.f-remote.cwru.edu junger@samsara.law.cwru.edu