At 3:15 AM -0800 11/19/98, holist wrote:
I only subscribed to this list a few weeks ago. I break my silence in defense of Bernardo B. Terrado, who was viciously attacked by Adam Hupp and then rather more graciously advised by Jim Gillogly.
Having read a significant amount of material on the ideological (rather than the technical) background of cypherpunks (Tim May's writings, mainly) it seems to me rather obvious that a relative newcomer to these circles would come to expect to find people who may not be "mannered intellectuals", but who are certainly not erstwhile defenders of intellectual property, particularly asthe concept is applied to software today.
I understand that there may be other reasons why it is unwise to post requests for warez on these lists, but moral outrage at the thought of software piracy was not one I expected to read here.
Don't confuse the views you hear from some particular person(s) to be the collective, group views of the list, or the views of me, and so on. (This applies to your point below about porn, too.)
Especially as I hear nobody complaining about the advertisement for pornography that I receive every two days, regular as clockwork, from the cypherpunks list, not to mention the great deal of other entirely useless, automatically generated advertising.
Unlike most of you lucky people in the States, I pay through the nose for on-line time.
Perhaps priorities could do with rethinking.
You seem to think the Cypherpunks mailing list is some kind of moderated, edited forum, with porn ads sent deliberately by the Governing Body of Editors. What goes out to the *reflector* is what comes in. Nothing more, nothing less. You are of course free to create your own moderated, edited list. Oh, and please learn to attach Subject names to your posts. And "cypherpunks@toad.com" is not one of the preferred list addresses...hasn't been for a year or two. --Tim May Common Y2K line: "I'm not preparing, but I know where _you_ live." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.